Abortion in Jamaica, Legalize It.
It’s obvious how much Christianity affects our affairs in Jamaica. I read an article in the Gleaner last week.An alliance of local church organisations, Christian lawyers and medical doctors, as well as a youth organisation yesterday strongly objected to the recommendation by the Abortion Policy Review Advisory Group that abortions in Jamaica be legalized. I beg to differ. I think it should be legalized.
A Scenario: Young Woman gets pregnant for boyfriend, they both are not ready for children for various reasons, so they both decide to get an abortion, no wait, they cant because it’s illegal, oh well, maybe the church leaders will take care of the child once it’s born right?… probably not.
Who the hell decides what i can and cannot do with an unborn child, it’s rubbish i tell you. So many children are being born in unprepared and immature families. These idiots prefer a child to be born and end up on the streets because there parents could not take care of them, and it’s not like the state has an effective system in place to take care of these children, leave a decision like that to the couple, not religious groups, it might be ungodly in a Christian’s eyes, but let’s face it, not every one is a Christian, therefore not everyone follow the principles of Christianity, if they are going to make the decision not to legalize abortion in Jamaica, don’t do it on a religious basis, do it on a logical one.
oh did that happen … any way let me continue
…. the is very clear that nurder applies to human and human only … so the queston is can we prove when a fetus actually reaches that state of consciousness. Also what holds for a very developed state (England) does not necessarily hold for a poor third world state (Haiti). There is clearly no comparison wthe kinda support structure that exist in England does not exist in Haiti and won’t any time soon so do we apply the the same kind of expectations for a very very poor person in Haiti who “accidentally” got pregnant.
Further more what about the social implication of a child whose gene pool is very suspect a lot of persons in the very developed world due to access to far reaching research in genealogy have come to accept that some personlity straits are passed on though the genes of the adults to the child thus cause a lot of childeren to be left in the care of the government for many a years and be rest assured even in these very developed countries a lot of these children are severly traumatised by there living conditions. So just imagine Haiti.
My take on it is where it isn’t necessary then the law should ensure that you are sanctioned for taking terminating a fetus. And that once the conscious life stage has been attained then the termination should be regarded as murder. This of course must be determined by each state according to the capabilities to provide the kinda support structure … this is adaption, chlidren wards and homes, a effecient child protection agency …etc etc
Just my thoughts on it
Oh J.C if you wish to think linear then I must insult you. I am an asshole but a smart one at that. However in your latest post you made no sense. I hope this was not intended. Try next time to be a bit more clear so that I can reply to the best of my ability. Oh ok after carefully reading it over I got the jist of it. I do have respect for life but I like to see everything from both points of view. I am not just a humble, wealthy christian living a wonderful life but I am also a “criminal” who has to steal to feed his family. Maybe you should stop being so humble and try to think about what that person goes through to feed his family. I hope you get what I am saying, I’ll put it in simple terms for you.
You should stop thinking like the rich person who can take care of his kids and start thinking like the woman who doesn’t have enough money to pay to feed 1 child let alone the one on the way. What would you do J.C? Would you come on a website and talk about respect for life or would you do what has to be done.
Regards.
IT’S CALLED ADOPTION you idiots. 2 million couples are waiting to adopt, and would gladly take more than one child. I’m doing extensive research on the topic of abortion, since I have to deliver a speech on it.
WHAT IF YOUR MOTHER DECIDED THAT SHE WANTED TO ABORT YOU?!
How do you feel about that?
You stupid bitch; if so many people are waiting to adopt why are there so many street kids and others in foster homes; you can adopt all of them while your at it; you dumb fuck.
Oh and if my mom decided to abort me i wouldn’t have known now would i? But that was not the case, she was in a marriage and was READY for children.
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People are so stupid saying that, “Oh what if your own mother did it…then then..then you won’t be here!â€
Oh shut the fuck up. Save it. Try to put yourself in the shoes of these women who go through this. It’s easy for someone to just say…oh murdering is bad, oh I’d never kill. If you were in that situation you would do anything if enough pressure is there. Now shut the fuck up and look at it from another perspective for once.
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This is the second time I’m posting the exact thing I’ve said before to that idiot J.C
Now Paige if you want to really share your ideas with the rest of us try not to use capital words to emphasize your points. It only makes you look like a complete fool and child. I understand you not being able to fully think about this topic without getting all hot and bothered but grow up before you wish to speak to constructive thinkers.
Alright clearly this argument is not gonna end. People are always gonna want have abortions because A They don’t want the responsibility of taking care of a child B They can’t afford to take care of a child C Sad case they get raped or molested.I think that whatever the decision about this issue that it should just reflect the majority of what Jamaican’s want.I personally just believe that abortions are wrong that’s it if i’m an idiot for it then so be it. There are so many arguments for and against this issue and in spite of all the insults I believe that now more than ever and have taken into consideration the many view points being presented. So thats it,its in God’s hands.
Thank You.
I think this topic is funny, just in the fact that everyone is so so one sided on it all.
MY THOUGHTS… TO anyone who cares…
I dont think religion should play any part in the court’s decisions, as there is supposed to be a definate separation of church and state in our Democracy, but it should play a part in the hearts and morals of those who believe it.
Second of all to that person that mentioned it… isn’t atheism lack of religion? Someone stated that it should be mentioned because it is the opposite of christianity, but it really is just the lack of.
Third, I have been doing lots of research on this as a med school project, and the answer is never just black or white. There is a lot of gray area. A lot!
And finally, where is the line drawn? I know it may sound far fetched, but if the government takes the right away to make choices about the tissues growing in our body, where does that stop? It could be like the book 1984…
The right to have that choice was given to us by the forefathers of our country… If you dont like it… Leave. Simple as that.
Or if you dont believe in abortions…Dont have one! WOW! ISNT THAT SIMPLE!!!
This is has again proven that anything that has ties to sex and its ramifications whether it be sexuality or otherwise becomes clouded in ramblings of religious biases.
Very few of these arguments are presented with any consideration of how these mothers may feel. Despite the minority or so called well to do females that get rid of a fetus because of the inconvenience. There’s no reason to assume that the majority of women who do have abortions did because they honestly saw no way out. We never seem to acknowledge that there are situation where u have no family to create well thinking individuals. Broken homes and unhappy homes are bound to create what we have in society. And that is whole legion of unguided sometimes unloved teens who have no real direction in life. We’re now in a space where broken homes are the rule and not the exception and then we sit on our high stools and tell these kids that they should not abort their potential child?.
I’d like the pro lifers to tell me in what are the constructive environments that will be provided to this child to make sure they become settled individuals who won’t become menaces to society. Please don’t bring up adoption as an option because I’ve seen these places in Jamaica. An orphanage becomes a den for pedophiles and other crimes against these children that are just too devious to mention. Sexual crimes against children is not gender specific. The horror stories in a lot of homes where mothers prostitute daughters as soon as they’re “of age”. We have a growing domestic disease that are raising children that place no value on there own lives.
The problem as someone sited earlier in this panel ignorance. In an atmosphere of love most challenges can be overcome but ask yourselves how many of these potential mothers have this atmosphere around them.
We should also look at what policies we have and ought to have to govern families. All those sperm donors out there and mothers who never want to support there children should be punished if they refuse to honor the responsibility of the child they have already brought onto the earth. There nothing in place to make sure the father’s name is on the birth certificates and as far as i’m aware there was only one immaculate conception and even that is debatable. Then the mothers can cherry pick who they want the father to be and raise the child in a lie. Father not the father because he does’nt have the status she wants and puts it on another man. There’s so much fuss over what to do with a potential life than we’ve forgotten as a people the value we should place on the children that are already here.
Mr Gordon Swaby. You obviously know little to nothing of Bible history. No respected historian believe the bible was written by Constantine. Ever heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls. I guess you will say they are also written by Constantine.
As to the abortion issue. You obviously believe life has no value. People can willy nilly get rid of it. Sex has consequences. STI’s and AIDS and pregnancy. You don’t solve one problem by creating another.
We are sliding down a slippery slope, that will lead to very bad consequences. Human life must be valued very highly. Think about Hitler,Poe Pot and Idi Amin.
It may sound grim, but in the words of the late great Bill Hicks, “I’m tired of this pat on the back humanity bullshit… We are a virus with shoes.”
We come and we pave the earth, stink up the air, and poison the waters, and all we can worry about is whether somone has the right to decide to not to continue to multiply on this virus.
How about spending that breath to explore space for a new planet to destroy, before the air on this one becomes so volitile that we cannot breathe, the land cracks open to swallow us, and the sea boils with the most evil of demonic-esque mutations of sea creatures.
If you are a christian this is where your thoughts should be. Pray for the world to go past 2012… STOP IMPRESSING YOUR BELIEFS ON OTHER PEOPLE!
Thank You very much.
That’s more like it; that’s what Gordon wants to hear
Wow, i never thought about it like that the human race as a virus with shoes on…lmao.It just seems to me that this has become somewhat of a religious debate…It really should be what the majority wants thats the beauty of a democracy.. lets face it we can’t take religion out of it because we are a very religious nation and our religion often governs how make most of our decisions look at our pledge its a freaking prayer. Most of our laws are based on religious principles and is the backbone of our constitution…I don’t think we’re ever gonna be able take religion out of it…so yeah
It is a pity that this person prefers to prostitute herself and then destroy the consequencies that are known before the act. How about being responsible and take the necessary precautions (there is a wide choice) before engaging in sexual intercourse?
There is need for women to lift theor moral standards and respect themselves. Would you object to a thief killing your sister because he wanted something she has that he cannot afford to purchase? What is good for the goose is good for the gander , buster!
That is why birth control is readily available and the sex act is reserved for tose who are emotionally an d mentally prepared to deal with the consequences of sex such as pregnancy.
Where in kingston jamaica can u get an abortion done, no questions ask?
I belive that abortion in general is psychologically, morally and constitutionally incorrect. Hovever i do believe that in certain cases such a rape victim and for mothers who are at risk because of the pragnancy should be given the right to an abortion. resean been, the mother can always attempt to have a child some other time in the future and in the case of the rape victim no should be forced to endure the burdens of such a tragedy (i.e. both mother and child).
I belive that abortion in general is psychologically, morally and constitutionally incorrect. Hovever i do believe that in certain cases such a rape victim and for mothers who are at risk because of the pragnancy should be given the right to an abortion. resean been, the mother can always attempt to have a child some other time in the future and in the case of the rape victim no should be forced to endure the burdens of such a tragedy (i.e. both mother and child).
Not only should abortion be legalized in Jamaica, but the buggery laws should be repealed and the Jamaican Church should issue both a formal apology to the LGBT community but should also be made to fund these clinics and pay the LGBT community six million US Dollars compensation for the way they have abused them. More women should be elected to Parliment and there should be a clear and permanent seperation between Church and State.
I believe that abortion is wrong. I am a christian. These are MY beliefs and I would never dare to impose them on others. These religious leaders now a days seem to think that every Jamaican believe what they believe and if they don't then they should. They all seem to think that they have a divine right to dictate to people how to live their lives. I say leave it up to each person. The most you can do is warn what the Bible says about such actions, but in the end it all comes down to the individual. And since the Good Book says we will all account for our actions, let each man (woman) make the decision on how they want to spend their after life.
Think they should be more worried about how they will spend theirs…
I REALLY DONT AGREE WITH U .BECAUSE IF A FEMALE DONT WANT TO GET PRAGENT THEN DONT HAVE SEX IT'S REALLY SIMPLE OR EVEN IF THEY ARE HYAVING SEX THEY CANT USE A COMDOM IF THEY CANT BUY IT IT'S FREE AT THE HEALTH CENTER .THEY ARE SO MANY THINGS TO DO THAT U DONT HAVE TO GET PRAGENT .
4 Things:
1. You're an idiot.
2. Ease of the CAPS.
3. Learn to spell
4. You're an idiot.
I REALLY DONT AGREE WITH U.AND I AM A FEMALE IF THEY WANT TO GET PRAGENT TEN DONT HAVE SEX AND IF U CANT THEN USE A COMDOM IF THEY CANT AFORD IT ITS FREE AT THE HEALTH CENTER SO I DONT WANT IT TO BE LEGALIZE
News that the Jamaican government is considering legalizing abortion in the predominantly Christian country!